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		<title>By: Ashok</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2009/04/30/elections-in-loyola/comment-page-1/#comment-1239</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harshan, wonder what your disagreement is on. I didn&#039;t (and don&#039;t) see anything healthy in an SSLC vs ICSE competition.

Deepak, what amazing memory! Wish I could playback conversations like you! You guessed right -- I don&#039;t remember the incident, or any debate with Harshan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harshan, wonder what your disagreement is on. I didn&#8217;t (and don&#8217;t) see anything healthy in an SSLC vs ICSE competition.</p>
<p>Deepak, what amazing memory! Wish I could playback conversations like you! You guessed right &#8212; I don&#8217;t remember the incident, or any debate with Harshan.</p>
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		<title>By: Deepak (ISC 1996)</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2009/04/30/elections-in-loyola/comment-page-1/#comment-1236</link>
		<dc:creator>Deepak (ISC 1996)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harshan,

I was your junior by four years at school. I remember your election speech from 20 years ago :) . In the middle of your speech, you said something that the students found very amusing, so much so that they broke out into boisterous laughter. You didn&#039;t see the humor in their overreaction and immediately admonished them, saying &quot;There is no need to laugh so much&quot; or something to that effect. Fr. Philip Thayyil, the Principal, who you may not have observed because he was seated behind your field of view, was very impressed by the way you put down the audience. He smiled and nodded his head in approval. 

Staying with the topic of elections, albeit from a national perspective, I also happen to remember you and Ashok (the owner of this blog) standing on the steps at the east side of the main football field, and engaged in a spirited impromptu argument about the future of Indian politics. You were predicting that a particular political party which at the point of time has less than 90 seats in the Lok Sabha, would come to power. Ashok was predicting that it would never happen. Your prediction came true 6 years later. I doubt whether you gentlemen still remember this incident, but I still remember the ferocity with which you both were arguing your respective cases. Nice to see you guys at it again, even after 20 years!

Deepak</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harshan,</p>
<p>I was your junior by four years at school. I remember your election speech from 20 years ago <img src='http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  . In the middle of your speech, you said something that the students found very amusing, so much so that they broke out into boisterous laughter. You didn&#8217;t see the humor in their overreaction and immediately admonished them, saying &#8220;There is no need to laugh so much&#8221; or something to that effect. Fr. Philip Thayyil, the Principal, who you may not have observed because he was seated behind your field of view, was very impressed by the way you put down the audience. He smiled and nodded his head in approval. </p>
<p>Staying with the topic of elections, albeit from a national perspective, I also happen to remember you and Ashok (the owner of this blog) standing on the steps at the east side of the main football field, and engaged in a spirited impromptu argument about the future of Indian politics. You were predicting that a particular political party which at the point of time has less than 90 seats in the Lok Sabha, would come to power. Ashok was predicting that it would never happen. Your prediction came true 6 years later. I doubt whether you gentlemen still remember this incident, but I still remember the ferocity with which you both were arguing your respective cases. Nice to see you guys at it again, even after 20 years!</p>
<p>Deepak</p>
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		<title>By: Harshan (1990 SSLC)</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2009/04/30/elections-in-loyola/comment-page-1/#comment-1233</link>
		<dc:creator>Harshan (1990 SSLC)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,

Really disagree.......I was a candidate for School Leader Elections in1989-90.I was from SSLC and Mr.Ben George from ICSE.Do agree there was a competition between SSLC and ICSE but it was really healthy.

I lost the elections by a Huge Marging of 4 Votes and I never felt any body was behind that, and to let you know, Mr.Issac Mathew was given the best Loyolite for that year, for his total academic performance.

Its all a part of life.....Take it positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>Really disagree&#8230;&#8230;.I was a candidate for School Leader Elections in1989-90.I was from SSLC and Mr.Ben George from ICSE.Do agree there was a competition between SSLC and ICSE but it was really healthy.</p>
<p>I lost the elections by a Huge Marging of 4 Votes and I never felt any body was behind that, and to let you know, Mr.Issac Mathew was given the best Loyolite for that year, for his total academic performance.</p>
<p>Its all a part of life&#8230;..Take it positive.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2009/04/30/elections-in-loyola/comment-page-1/#comment-1215</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok the seven candidate incident happened in 2006 not 2007. I would like to make that point clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok the seven candidate incident happened in 2006 not 2007. I would like to make that point clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashok</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2009/04/30/elections-in-loyola/comment-page-1/#comment-1211</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashik, thank you for clarifying. Amusing to read how students are using elections to avoid classes. 

In the 2007 batch, there were 47 students in ISC and 52 students in HSC. That&#039;s the information I have. If you are confident that all guys in your ISC class voted for the ISC candidate, you are only adding more evidence to my observation that caste plays a role.

If the elections were transparent, such doubts about the role of teachers, would not have arisen. And every candidate would know how many votes he got from each class. The ISC vs HSC caste voting was the norm, and by all reports, it still is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashik, thank you for clarifying. Amusing to read how students are using elections to avoid classes. </p>
<p>In the 2007 batch, there were 47 students in ISC and 52 students in HSC. That&#8217;s the information I have. If you are confident that all guys in your ISC class voted for the ISC candidate, you are only adding more evidence to my observation that caste plays a role.</p>
<p>If the elections were transparent, such doubts about the role of teachers, would not have arisen. And every candidate would know how many votes he got from each class. The ISC vs HSC caste voting was the norm, and by all reports, it still is.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashik Kalam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashik Kalam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I belong to the 2007 ISC batch; I was one of the seven candidates( i don&#039;t remember the exact number ; 7 if you say so). That was nothing but a poorly executed joke from our side.The idea was to make sure that the assembly went on till it was noon; so that we would &#039;nt have to attend chemistry lab.I&#039;m very confident that all the 7 candidates(that includes me as well) and the rest of my class voted for the same candidate; the one who eventually became the school leader.And about the existence of so called caste votes; the ISC batch had more number of students than the HSC batch; so nothing of that sort could have played a role in that particular election.
So it could be that your source of information was wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I belong to the 2007 ISC batch; I was one of the seven candidates( i don&#8217;t remember the exact number ; 7 if you say so). That was nothing but a poorly executed joke from our side.The idea was to make sure that the assembly went on till it was noon; so that we would &#8216;nt have to attend chemistry lab.I&#8217;m very confident that all the 7 candidates(that includes me as well) and the rest of my class voted for the same candidate; the one who eventually became the school leader.And about the existence of so called caste votes; the ISC batch had more number of students than the HSC batch; so nothing of that sort could have played a role in that particular election.<br />
So it could be that your source of information was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua, would you like to tell us what is &quot;true&quot;? We&#039;re all ears, and the truth rarely lies hidden forever in any case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua, would you like to tell us what is &#8220;true&#8221;? We&#8217;re all ears, and the truth rarely lies hidden forever in any case.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction, the comment on the  2007 elections is quiet debatable but all i&#039;ve got to say is that what is mentioned in this article is not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction, the comment on the  2007 elections is quiet debatable but all i&#8217;ve got to say is that what is mentioned in this article is not true.</p>
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		<title>By: Arun Sudarsan</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2009/04/30/elections-in-loyola/comment-page-1/#comment-1103</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun Sudarsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 13:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;caste&quot; war between ISC and HSC is all set to end in 3 years time after which Loyola will not have any class following the state syllabus. Currently, (i.e for Academic year 2009-2010) we have 3 state syllabus based classes - 10, 11 and 12. But when the current 10th reaches 12th, they will be the last HSC batch of Loyola.

But caste wars will still continue... this time its gonna be one ISC class vs 2 CBSE classes. The school leader elections of the next few years are going to be some what like this....


2009-10      ISC(1)  vs  CBSE(2)  vs HSC(1)
2010-11      ISC(1)  vs  CBSE(2)  vs HSC(1)
2011-12      ISC(1)  vs  CBSE(2)  vs HSC(1)
2012-13      ISC(1)  vs  CBSE(2)  NO HSC CLASS
.
.
.
.
and so on.


Why the teachers and Principal now interfere in the election process may be because at some point of time some unworthy candidate might have become the school leader purely based on the so called caste votes..But for the last decade, Loyola has been getting some fine leaders...

2001-02 Arun Andrews
2002-03 Arun John
2003-04 Rakesh V
2004-05 Arun Mohan
2005-06 Rakesh P
2006-07 Aravind A Menon
2007-08 Syamnath G S
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;caste&#8221; war between ISC and HSC is all set to end in 3 years time after which Loyola will not have any class following the state syllabus. Currently, (i.e for Academic year 2009-2010) we have 3 state syllabus based classes &#8211; 10, 11 and 12. But when the current 10th reaches 12th, they will be the last HSC batch of Loyola.</p>
<p>But caste wars will still continue&#8230; this time its gonna be one ISC class vs 2 CBSE classes. The school leader elections of the next few years are going to be some what like this&#8230;.</p>
<p>2009-10      ISC(1)  vs  CBSE(2)  vs HSC(1)<br />
2010-11      ISC(1)  vs  CBSE(2)  vs HSC(1)<br />
2011-12      ISC(1)  vs  CBSE(2)  vs HSC(1)<br />
2012-13      ISC(1)  vs  CBSE(2)  NO HSC CLASS<br />
.<br />
.<br />
.<br />
.<br />
and so on.</p>
<p>Why the teachers and Principal now interfere in the election process may be because at some point of time some unworthy candidate might have become the school leader purely based on the so called caste votes..But for the last decade, Loyola has been getting some fine leaders&#8230;</p>
<p>2001-02 Arun Andrews<br />
2002-03 Arun John<br />
2003-04 Rakesh V<br />
2004-05 Arun Mohan<br />
2005-06 Rakesh P<br />
2006-07 Aravind A Menon<br />
2007-08 Syamnath G S<br />
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		<title>By: Kunjan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kunjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 06:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Democracy&#039;, as is today in Loyola and elsewhere, is just a pseudo democracy emulation taking place under the dictatorship of a group of power capitalists,
grouped under a socialistic emulation within the group that arises from the individualists&#039; capitalist need for influence and power, and from the knowledge that power amongst equals can be gained through (and only through) pseudo socialist distribution promises within that group, the result of all the deceit and deception involved being just CHAOS!

Practical &#039;Democracy&#039; is just a mask of politicos layer maintained by the demand of power by the lower power layers (majority of the population), and the ever feuding capitalists&#039; need to prevent that transition of lowers into their group.

An idealistic solution may seem to be a distributive political framework, which is practical only in fantasy stories.

Better would it be for the political structural framework to be entirely traceable to a single point of concentration of power, with an &#039;Emperor&#039; at the centre, rather than the pseudo political &#039;structure&#039; promised by &#039;democracy&#039; or the very unpractical &#039;parallel distributism&#039;.

The &#039;Emperor&#039; may allow for the setting up of a multi-level distributism, as is exhibited by all of Nature&#039;s natural obedients such an example being a humble tree (where the trunk is the &#039;Emperor&#039;) or the planets around the sun, the sun reigning over the rest.
  
So knowingly or unknowingly (the latter seeming the most true), Loyola is teaching (or showing) the students the true condition of the political structure in the outer world, in a very adorable way!

Hail Emperor Principal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Democracy&#8217;, as is today in Loyola and elsewhere, is just a pseudo democracy emulation taking place under the dictatorship of a group of power capitalists,<br />
grouped under a socialistic emulation within the group that arises from the individualists&#8217; capitalist need for influence and power, and from the knowledge that power amongst equals can be gained through (and only through) pseudo socialist distribution promises within that group, the result of all the deceit and deception involved being just CHAOS!</p>
<p>Practical &#8216;Democracy&#8217; is just a mask of politicos layer maintained by the demand of power by the lower power layers (majority of the population), and the ever feuding capitalists&#8217; need to prevent that transition of lowers into their group.</p>
<p>An idealistic solution may seem to be a distributive political framework, which is practical only in fantasy stories.</p>
<p>Better would it be for the political structural framework to be entirely traceable to a single point of concentration of power, with an &#8216;Emperor&#8217; at the centre, rather than the pseudo political &#8216;structure&#8217; promised by &#8216;democracy&#8217; or the very unpractical &#8216;parallel distributism&#8217;.</p>
<p>The &#8216;Emperor&#8217; may allow for the setting up of a multi-level distributism, as is exhibited by all of Nature&#8217;s natural obedients such an example being a humble tree (where the trunk is the &#8216;Emperor&#8217;) or the planets around the sun, the sun reigning over the rest.</p>
<p>So knowingly or unknowingly (the latter seeming the most true), Loyola is teaching (or showing) the students the true condition of the political structure in the outer world, in a very adorable way!</p>
<p>Hail Emperor Principal!</p>
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		<title>By: John F (2005)</title>
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		<dc:creator>John F (2005)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 03:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree to the fact that school leader elections should be conducted in a transparent fashion. But I believe the &#039;caste&#039; politics started to influence decisions so much that what&#039;s happening in real world started to mirror in school too, ie. people started getting votes based only on &#039;caste&#039;. This wasn&#039;t helping any, &#039;cuz questions weren&#039;t raised whether candidates were worthy or not. I guess it were under such circumstances that teachers and principal decided to change it. The system should be changed back in my opinion and focus should be more on eliminating any caste differentiation.

I do not deny to be a victim of caste politics and vote for candidate from my class. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree to the fact that school leader elections should be conducted in a transparent fashion. But I believe the &#8216;caste&#8217; politics started to influence decisions so much that what&#8217;s happening in real world started to mirror in school too, ie. people started getting votes based only on &#8216;caste&#8217;. This wasn&#8217;t helping any, &#8216;cuz questions weren&#8217;t raised whether candidates were worthy or not. I guess it were under such circumstances that teachers and principal decided to change it. The system should be changed back in my opinion and focus should be more on eliminating any caste differentiation.</p>
<p>I do not deny to be a victim of caste politics and vote for candidate from my class. <img src='http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ashok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 20:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it&#039;s not the increasing number of students -- the electorate can be three grades (9th, 10th, 12th; the 11th joins a while later). The story is that not so long ago, following a student verdict in favour of an unlikely candidate (seemingly &quot;unfit&quot;), the teachers and the management felt that democracy had run amok.

In times like these, I wish that LENS had faithfully recorded the change in voting system, the official explanation, and the unvarnished truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s not the increasing number of students &#8212; the electorate can be three grades (9th, 10th, 12th; the 11th joins a while later). The story is that not so long ago, following a student verdict in favour of an unlikely candidate (seemingly &#8220;unfit&#8221;), the teachers and the management felt that democracy had run amok.</p>
<p>In times like these, I wish that LENS had faithfully recorded the change in voting system, the official explanation, and the unvarnished truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 18:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting information about how the votes were valued. Curious about what made the authorities worried about the old format. It can&#039;t be explained merely by the increasing number of students</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting information about how the votes were valued. Curious about what made the authorities worried about the old format. It can&#8217;t be explained merely by the increasing number of students</p>
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