Comments on: Choosing a Career

By: Sree

Sree — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:24:03 +0000

I think we all should owe it to the Media and Television boom (starting ’95-’96) and the Internet (although am sure that there are many like me who havent had the luxury until i landed up in my first job in 2000). Am sure that NLS’s existed even before all this, but the concept of information sharing and information for all started happening only some 15 years back…
we should remember that our parents didnt have the same luxury… they didnt have the TV or the Internet to mentor them… and am sure they are still catching up …especially the Internet… there was also the tradition of looking up to the seniors … especially when u hear in the Assembly that xxx made the cut into IIT or IAS …u tend to follow in the same foot steps…
U get the hang of it when u r actually at it… and soon you find out, that what u were taught in college hasnt got much to do with what you are doing on the job… i have learnt that the real learning starts especially after you have landed up in a job…

By: Jian

Jian — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:06:20 +0000

Srikanth,

You have a valid point there. I appreciate that myself, and totally agree with you the possibility of changing fields a little later in life, but I think that there are certain general modes of behavior that commonly shows itself in situations like this. It IS true that a lot of Loyolites I know, and I’m not talking numbers here, made their career options at 16/17. Especially the ones who wanted to go the way of a professional degree. While I do agree that a decision taken at 16/17 could be the wrong one, it still is no reason why the information should not be provided. My initial point was that. Provide the information. 16/17 year olds still do have to choose the college they go to. Why let someone who wants to do something like Visual Communication at 22 have to go through 4 years of engineering or five years of law or 5 of medicine because he didn’t know that vis comm was available as an undergraduate course? I’m not talking about sympathy here, I’m talking about a simple step that will not hurt and could possibly help. Thats all.

Beno,

Your post sorta shocked me. There were far too many harsh truths there. But truths they are. There’s absolutely no use remaining in any niche field unless you are passionate about it.You know, even thats information. These are things that need to be told to these 16/17 year olds too, but then again, who will? Nice views though, especially the simple 10 point map you’ve made at the end. Conveys it very well.

By: Beno Ewald

Beno Ewald — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 06:49:43 +0000

If parents are asking you to take a safe well beaten path, its because they have got the experience of seeing many failure and successes in their life. Students who pursue their dreams falling down like the bird shot down by a hunter and students who are forced to join the crowd making good. They also have a point. we also have a point.

I think the main reason is parents who may be termed as “narrow minded” do not want their boys to fail like their neighbour’s son who went after his dream. I am not saying that everyone who goes after their dream fails. but that not all people who go after their pasion succeed. There are a few who succeed and it is because of the uncompromising commitment and the passion to take on their dream career to any levels. Unles you have that much passion and commitment do not follow your dreams. If the niche market you choose to compete is flooded with more passionate people than you then you will face the highest level of competition and in the end you come to realie thaat u oul have followed your parent’ advices.

Joining the crowd can be asured of a good job but not your liking one.. For those guys who could not take their pasiona s their main stream can still make it big by imparting your skills in the field that was alloted to you. Like person interested in ads can do the same as a part time by maintainng contacts and establishing it as side business or say open a website and get in clients and once you feel you are confident enough of making a fortune you can leave the job an make head for it.. Its win win situation. If it is not making enough business you can as well continue your job an be satified that you have chosen the right job. May be this does not uits all careers like a person who wants to do alaw and did engg may be he cannot do this kind of thing.

I am not making fear in the guys who wih to take up risks but i am trying to bring you the realities and risks involved in choosing the career. In short you need that kind of passion and excellent skills which will assure you you are the most competent one in the filed you choose or else i would say go the current trend – LKG UKG ..5,6.. 12, ENGG, IT JOb, ONSITE,marriage..

By: Srikanth

Srikanth — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:40:30 +0000

Well,
It seems to me that Law school isn’t quite so much an eccentric career choice now as it was when I graduated, way back in 2000. Then, I knew exactly one person (not a loyolite) who went to NLSIU and a couple of others who went to other law schools. That it is more popular now is not very surprising as law school graduates seem to be drawing some hefty pay packets; and I do hear of law discussed as a viable option by kids nowadays. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that kids who choose law (now) are breaking the mold. As far as I am concerned, 16/17 is too early to make a career choice. One needs more time, more exposure in order to make an informed choice. A very good friend of mine did his Engineering, got a very good job at a very good company (not IT) worked for a year or two, decided that the place he wanted to be was the Ad world, worked towards it and is now happy making ads. He was 22 when he shifted fields. Of course he faced obstacles (not least from his parents) but he overcame them. Realization came late in his case, I remember he was very enthusiastic about his field the first day in engg. college.
In my own case, I was lucky that engineering was after all what I wanted to do. I had to make corrections in my path (who doesn’t?) but it was minor compared to what I’ve seen other people do.
Early twenties is too young to be stuck in a rut and feel sorry for oneself. There is a whole world waiting to be explored. But, as the author says, realization of one’s true calling needs to come, but, in my opinion, that realization isn’t served to one in a platter. Children who are forced to follow the crowd deserve sympathy, but they also need to wake up and realize that their lives are theirs to lead.

By: Jian

Jian — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:32:47 +0000

Karthik,

With all due respect, I do agree that the repeating of those views might seem whiny, how would the fact that it has been neglected for a long time, or that most schools in the state also do the same thing make it acceptable? In all our haughtiness, did we ever think ourselves to be like any other school?

Jokes apart, I do believe that the school should give the students a wider outlook towards careers, though at no point did I expect it to be a counseling center. But that said, if those facilities are available, it would be a good thing, and I’m sure we can agree on that much. If so, then how does the failure of other schools justify us not doing it? I dont know, but I personally think that if we had a couple of people coming down and giving talks in say eighth standard, it would have helped, in my personal case at least. I do get that it might seem whiny, but isn’t that a presupposition in a discussion like this? And its not like this is something that is so out of the way that you cannot expect a school with the sort of resources and pull that Loyola has, to do it. So hey, why not? The worst that could happen is that some kids wont listen at a couple of guest lectures. The best that can happen is that someone becomes aware of options he didnt think were ok. So, hey, why not?

By: Karthik

Karthik — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:24:18 +0000

I would have liked Loyola School to have made me aware of a few options I had when I was in middle school

Jian, I really wish that people who say that the school is not a counselling centre get this idea into their thoughts. It has been neglected for a long time, not just at Loyola, but at most schools in the State.

By: Jian

Jian — Fri, 30 May 2008 07:57:48 +0000

Since the discussion is going that way, let me tell you Asok, I didn’t have the slightest clue of any sort of career opportunity outside of the narrow engineering field. And I call it narrow because even then I hated it enough and was human enough not to be able to make it to the IITs, which I still hold requires 2 years of consistent and hard work. As many people have already commented on the general flow of things, “UKG to LKG, Loyola to CET”, was also assumed in my case especially since my dad was an engineer from CET himself. I regret not taking the initiative to educate myself about career opportunities then. But I also believe that I didnt have the maturity required, at that age, to think of a life and education outside of kerala and engineering. I would have liked Loyola School to have made me aware of a few options I had when I was in middle school. But most of all, I wish that they had inspired me to set my aims a little higher. Which brings me to the main point I wished to make.

I remember a discussion I had with DP and Aravind from the 2001 batch about how Loyolites aim too low for their own good. At that time I didnt agree with the both of them and thought that there was nothing wrong with kerala engineering. But soon enough I realized that there were other things, for example law entrances, for which my education in Loyola had prepared me more than adequately. I realized soon that what you studied was not as important as where you studied it. As Loyolites, we often do not realize that it is possible to get into an IIT or an AIIMS or an NID or a NIFT because they are too exclusive. But the one thing I’ve realized is that dammit, we’re bloody exclusive too. We get a very fine education, and we are the kind of people who SHOULD be getting into these so called “exclusive” institutions. I wish that Loyola would instil this sense of entitlement into the students.

By: Sandeep

Sandeep — Wed, 28 May 2008 02:16:18 +0000

Solid! you have got everyone talking now

By: Vijay

Vijay — Tue, 27 May 2008 08:22:11 +0000

I happened to read the Open Page supplement of The Hindu, and came across three nice articles.
And two of them echo some similar thoughts.
Interested guys can have a look.

http://www.thehindu.com/op/index.htm

Vijay

Editor’s note: The articles are IIT Syndrome and Please Do Not Smother Budding Talents!

By: Vijay

Vijay — Mon, 26 May 2008 14:15:55 +0000

True, Ashok.
We are always made to believe in the safe route.
The well-beaten path is what people prefer, rather than taking a risk or venturing into the unknown orless-known.
I have also been part of the multitude that goes with the general flow of things.
In hindsight, I can proclaim that I could have done this, that and what not!
That is not going to change the state of affairs anywhere.
There is an inherent disability to accept change, at large.
I remember DP used to tell me not to be a horse with blinkers. Now I understand what she meant. Not that I have become ‘enlightened’, but I begin to understand that the world is not entirely what you see.

Vijay

By: Ashok

Ashok — Mon, 26 May 2008 10:25:04 +0000

Jian, you don’t remember my talk because I addressed the batch after yours. I met the 12th in July/Aug 2003.

Aju, yes, one needn’t see decisions as water-tight. There are some of us who search around till we are in a profession that we really enjoy. We move from one to next depending on what we think interests us. But instead of reaching by twists and turns (like I did), how about converting our hobby into a career?

Vijay, glad to hear that you like the write-ups hereabouts. We often see that the young are risk-takers, unlike the old — maybe this is one aspect of “generation gap”. But in Loyola, we find that even the young accept ‘safe’ routes, despite belonging to well-off families. I hear a lot of ‘blame the parents’ sentiment, but I think it also has to do with insufficient thinking on the students’ part — probably a reason why they are not able to convince their parents, allay fears, etc.

By: Vijay

Vijay — Sun, 25 May 2008 10:12:01 +0000

Ashok,
Again a good one, and a thought-provoking one from you.
I like the way you come up with such good write-ups.
I keep waiting for your next post to come.Though I comment only on a select few.

Whatever you have written here holds true for everything in life.
Like what you have quoted,”After the LKG, it is UKG..”, and so on.
It happens for everything in life.
If you wish to move out of the cliched domains, in whatever you do, then you are looked down upon. Is this what we earlier used to call generation-gap?
Well, if I write more, I think you find me a cynic. So stopping.
Keep the good ones coming Ashok.

Vijay

By: Aju

Aju — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:03:46 +0000

I think the mistake we make is when we put pressure on ourselves to make a “career” decision. Instead of seeing it as some kind of life-altering decision, if we can ask ourselves, “ok, what would I like to learn in the next few years”, it may be a better approach.
For me, NLSIU was a default choice because I’d done quite horribly at engg entrance. Plus, parents were quite supportive once I’d read and explained what exactly these new law schools were. Even though I was pretty sure I’d end up being a lawyer, I was also convinced that a law degree gave me enough options, to forget lawyering f I ended up hating the profession.
At the end of five years at NLS, I had a greater range of choices, though not as much as I’d have had if I had paid attention to grades. Regardless, I found myself opting for something ‘unusual’ and perhaps a little ‘risky’ – given that I had several ‘safe’ options as well.
I guess, I haven’t made a point, so sorry, if you’ve been reading so far in the expectation of some insight. None to give. Except that maybe people should not look at their decisions as water-tight. And oh yeah, try and pick up additional skills while you’re in school or college, that can give you the additional option.

By: Jian

Jian — Thu, 22 May 2008 07:07:00 +0000

Now, I was a 2003 pass out, and I don’t remember your talk at all. But I’m sure I would have pooh-poohed it then. When only 51 of 90 took engineering in your batch, other than 3 of us, the 2003 batch was all engineering and medicine. I’m glad to know that there is a certain interest in law as a career amongst the kinds now, its a whiff of fresh air. I, for one didn’t know that I wanted to be a lawyer even when i wrote my board exams. There were a few classmates who’d wanted to go to the NDA and ha worked towards it, and sure enough, they got in. Being aware and prepared is a big plus. And ya, sometimes I feel pissed off with my college too, but it passes. College is not the time to complain.

By: Ashok

Ashok — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:15:07 +0000

It would be better to aspire in a profession, i.e., after you’ve identified or chosen the profession you enjoy. Aspiring to a profession might lead you up the wrong path, if you disregard your aptitude and skills. That’s what I meant.

Disclosure: Back in 2003, when I was invited to Loyola for that career talk, I was unemployed! Now when I pose as a career-guidance guru here, I’m on long leave.

By: Bimal

Bimal — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:22:20 +0000

Hehe.. My bad. In retrospect, 30 does seem too old an age to think of a career change. Especially if its a decision that can be made earlier with enough confidence.

But I would like to disagree with Ashok on a point. Aspiring to be is an integral part of being. It’s not in human nature to be satisfied with what you are.

And, NLSIU isn’t all that bad!!

By: Ashok

Ashok — Wed, 21 May 2008 15:24:21 +0000

Nish, in my batch 51 out of 90 students opted for Engineering within a year or two. This was before the IT boom. We did our 10th in 1991 and 12th in 1993. Ours was the first ISC batch at Loyola (since the 1970s), and there was only the science option. So there’s a bit of Engineering bias built-in in our batch’s stats.

Reemas, yes, there’s quite a bit of luck.

By: Reemas

Reemas — Wed, 21 May 2008 02:39:38 +0000

Well, you found out sooner then later about yourself, you should feel lucky – most people end their livelyhood with out even knowing them or max. dreaming about it.
Way to go dude.

Reemas

By: Nish

Nish — Mon, 19 May 2008 18:18:20 +0000

Statistically speaking, Loyola has always been a training ground for engineering students. The academic best go to the IITs, the next best to CET (or one of the other Kerala Univ engineering colleges). Other professions, including medicine, law, journalism, non-engineering science, fashion or even media has always been something that was taken up by a minority. I don’t really know the exact reasons for this, but my best guess is that engineering degrees typically lead to IT/computer jobs – least amount of effort, maximum pay.

By: Ashok

Ashok — Mon, 19 May 2008 09:59:36 +0000

College life, like any other life, will have highs and lows. But if you are studying something that you chose out of interest — not because parents forced you to — then, on the whole, college life will be a happy one, methinks.

I wouldn’t insist on waiting till 30. Why not give a good shot at what you are studying now, and if it still does not excite, then think of alternatives — that way, by the time your course is over, instead of getting “placed”, you’ll be ready to switch towards your interests.

BTW, in school, if you harbour “dreams of making it big” in a field, please don’t follow that path. That’s not what you are, that’s what you aspire to be. Your real strength lies in what you are. So, Hari, consider yourself lucky that you didn’t go to NLSIU I’m sure Bimal will agree

By: Bimal

Bimal — Sun, 18 May 2008 05:45:59 +0000

@Hari

I haven’t met a single soul till now who’s happy with their college life. Of course, this may be entirely due to my socially inert life.
The point I’m trying to get at is that people from my class, whether they might be doing engg med or law or anything else…they’re all cribbing about how unsatisfying life is and how there’s no meaning. So don’t get disheartened so soon. If you’re 30 and still thinking this, then it might be time to think about a career change.

Little used dusty paths keep cropping up on the highway of life. You can choose to explore them anytime. You just have to be brave enough to traverse these unknowns!!

By: Hari Shanker R.

Hari Shanker R. — Sat, 17 May 2008 12:46:14 +0000

It takes courage, indeed. A whole bloody damn reserve of courage, if you ask me.

To be frank with you… I NEVER wanted to be an Engineer. I always harboured dreams of making it big at the NLSIU. Especially after listening to Aju chettan & Anantha padmanabhan chettan. But parents…!! I did whatever I could; tried almost everything you wrote… but to no purpose!

Today, I’m just another one among the teeming failed-Engineers, struggling it out in a mid-ranked Govt. Engineering College. Yeah, I might get ‘placed’ (to borrow a now-famous cliche), and I might draw twenty grand a month by the time I pass out, God forbid. But…

To quote line by Will Smith:
“Life’s not about the moments you breathe. It’s about those moments that take your breath away!”

Cheer Loyola’s Sons!

By: Ashok

Ashok — Sat, 17 May 2008 12:02:39 +0000

Karthik, thanks for hat-tipping to Desipundit.

Whichever stream you dive into, you’ll have to navigate through rapids, I bet. Since all of us jump in with misplaced confidence, might as well take a scenic route to the giant waterfall My reply to “I don’t have intuition, I don’t know what interests me” is “What do/did you do in your spare time?”

By: Karthik

Karthik — Sat, 17 May 2008 04:18:56 +0000

I call it a different operating system because it’s not user-friendly and is intimidating

I think this is why most of the students (including me) give up. It takes courage and good amount of self-confidence to venture into a different stream. And also, one should get that intuition that he/she has the required aptitude for this passion to take it as a career path.

By: Ashok

Ashok — Fri, 16 May 2008 13:15:14 +0000

Yes, Jina. There’s pressure to perform, as in any other field. But because we are studying a subject we like, or doing something we enjoy, it’s not something that we’ll want to run away from, right?

Syam, look for the signs in your garden. May you live happily ever after.

By: Syam Nath S.

Syam Nath S. — Fri, 16 May 2008 10:51:05 +0000

just wish 4 years would get over.. im not liknig engg that much.. wanna get it over and opt for something else
why i joined up? parents

btw..jina ? er female ? :-s

By: Career Confusion | DesiPundit

Career Confusion | DesiPundit — Fri, 16 May 2008 09:30:48 +0000

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By: jina

jina — Fri, 16 May 2008 03:00:08 +0000

i absolutely absolutely loved it..something which i can so totally idnetify with..but its a huge responsibility..i guess..to [prove urself and prove others wrong