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		<title>By: Ranjit Hari V</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/03/31/he-who-pays-the-piper/comment-page-1/#comment-996</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranjit Hari V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ashok,, do not know if u remember me,, i am from 89 batch, and roshan&#039;s classmate,, do give whereabouts of roshan, his phone number and e mail id. and also give ur phone number and ur e mail id.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ashok,, do not know if u remember me,, i am from 89 batch, and roshan&#8217;s classmate,, do give whereabouts of roshan, his phone number and e mail id. and also give ur phone number and ur e mail id.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashok</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/03/31/he-who-pays-the-piper/comment-page-1/#comment-763</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sreejesh, I was only trying to emphasise that the Campaign has to involve all sections, most of all those who will be impacted the most. I don&#039;t think parents will swallow notions of education from Tokyo or Tripura. Yes, finally, it&#039;s the school that has to implement most of the initiatives, bring various constituencies together, etc. 

I think if the Campaign goes well, LOBA will change in due course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sreejesh, I was only trying to emphasise that the Campaign has to involve all sections, most of all those who will be impacted the most. I don&#8217;t think parents will swallow notions of education from Tokyo or Tripura. Yes, finally, it&#8217;s the school that has to implement most of the initiatives, bring various constituencies together, etc. </p>
<p>I think if the Campaign goes well, LOBA will change in due course.</p>
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		<title>By: Bimal</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/03/31/he-who-pays-the-piper/comment-page-1/#comment-758</link>
		<dc:creator>Bimal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, noone said every great idea ended up as a great revolution!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, noone said every great idea ended up as a great revolution!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sreejesh</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/03/31/he-who-pays-the-piper/comment-page-1/#comment-753</link>
		<dc:creator>Sreejesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just can&#039;t be the parents alone...no way, never. For the simple reason that these days, most parents would be interested in their ward outperforming the other guys only...not probably getting involved in a great school campaign. 
Firstly, the LOBA has to change, like Ashok mentioned, thats one thing which is very much required. 
Secondly, the school authorities also have to take more initiaitives towards this direction. 
And finally for the school to be recognised as a great school, it has to be really different from the other schools in terms of academics, extra curriculars and more than anything else, creation of a brand value through the Ex loyolites....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just can&#8217;t be the parents alone&#8230;no way, never. For the simple reason that these days, most parents would be interested in their ward outperforming the other guys only&#8230;not probably getting involved in a great school campaign.<br />
Firstly, the LOBA has to change, like Ashok mentioned, thats one thing which is very much required.<br />
Secondly, the school authorities also have to take more initiaitives towards this direction.<br />
And finally for the school to be recognised as a great school, it has to be really different from the other schools in terms of academics, extra curriculars and more than anything else, creation of a brand value through the Ex loyolites&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashok</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/03/31/he-who-pays-the-piper/comment-page-1/#comment-751</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In every group, there will be resistance to change. But there&#039;ll also be supporters, if not enthusiasts. When change does not happen from within (say, the authorities, or PTA or LOBA initiating efforts), an external stimulus might help.

Karthik, thanks for raising such points that have to be tackled. Blog is not a good medium to discuss and chalk out strategies for action. But please continue to flag concerns publicly here, for actors (whoever, wherever) to consider when they finally meet and eat.

Arun, sad to hear that your efforts got a cold response. The PTA meeting is only one channel to know parents&#039; views, exchange ideas, etc. There was a huge response to the 2004 School Magazine, where we had inserted a Feedback Form at the end, and asked class leaders to collect responses within a fortnight of the magazine&#039;s release.

Bimal, yes, all of us should try to think out-of-the-box. As the school mag 2004 example showed, class leaders can play important roles. The Great School Campaign should involve them, as much as it involves old boys, teachers and parents. Er...I don&#039;t think every idea ended up as a great revolution :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In every group, there will be resistance to change. But there&#8217;ll also be supporters, if not enthusiasts. When change does not happen from within (say, the authorities, or PTA or LOBA initiating efforts), an external stimulus might help.</p>
<p>Karthik, thanks for raising such points that have to be tackled. Blog is not a good medium to discuss and chalk out strategies for action. But please continue to flag concerns publicly here, for actors (whoever, wherever) to consider when they finally meet and eat.</p>
<p>Arun, sad to hear that your efforts got a cold response. The PTA meeting is only one channel to know parents&#8217; views, exchange ideas, etc. There was a huge response to the 2004 School Magazine, where we had inserted a Feedback Form at the end, and asked class leaders to collect responses within a fortnight of the magazine&#8217;s release.</p>
<p>Bimal, yes, all of us should try to think out-of-the-box. As the school mag 2004 example showed, class leaders can play important roles. The Great School Campaign should involve them, as much as it involves old boys, teachers and parents. Er&#8230;I don&#8217;t think every idea ended up as a great revolution <img src='http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bimal</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/03/31/he-who-pays-the-piper/comment-page-1/#comment-749</link>
		<dc:creator>Bimal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok. Based on empirical evidence, it seems that neither the LOBA nor the PTA is fit to lead the campaign. What I am about to suggest might seem outrageous and unconventional. The School Leader, till date, has been someone who just makes speeches at important functions. The Class Leader, the one who minds the class while the teacher is away. Since Loyola claims to be preparing children for real life, my suggestion would be that real responsibility be given to them. The choice of how the school should be run. The choice to elect representatives with real power. Not the entire responsibility, of course, but some chunk of it. This is only the germ of an idea; the particulars will have to be thought deeply about. But every great revolution was once an idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok. Based on empirical evidence, it seems that neither the LOBA nor the PTA is fit to lead the campaign. What I am about to suggest might seem outrageous and unconventional. The School Leader, till date, has been someone who just makes speeches at important functions. The Class Leader, the one who minds the class while the teacher is away. Since Loyola claims to be preparing children for real life, my suggestion would be that real responsibility be given to them. The choice of how the school should be run. The choice to elect representatives with real power. Not the entire responsibility, of course, but some chunk of it. This is only the germ of an idea; the particulars will have to be thought deeply about. But every great revolution was once an idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Arun Sudarsan</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/03/31/he-who-pays-the-piper/comment-page-1/#comment-748</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun Sudarsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ashok,

Self evaluation is the best way to improve, i feel. If the school authorities spare some time to think of what&#039;s happening in each classroom (and not the school in general), i think it will help. Being an insider for 7 years, i saw drastic changes in the attitude of students, teachers, management and parents. But i can assure you one thing - great school campaign is never going to work if PTA is entrusted with it. SImply because parents are not concerned abt the school! They are more concerned abt their sons, thier studies and behaviour in class... i know a parent who comes with a notepad and pen to write down each word uttered by the teachers abt her son....she might not even know who is who in the school... As you know, PTA meeting occurs at the beginning of every year to select class representatives and executive committee members. At present, the strength of Loyola is 1600. Going by that, atleast 1600 people should attend the meeting, sadly that is not the case. May be 5-10 from each class will participate. Thats just around 250..... 

People are selfish, really selfish. When I was in 10th standard, i tried to improve the stature of my class with the help of some of the teachers... i was astonished at the cold response from them....the plan didnt work out....

I hope that great school campaign will become a reality soon.....because loyola needs something like that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ashok,</p>
<p>Self evaluation is the best way to improve, i feel. If the school authorities spare some time to think of what&#8217;s happening in each classroom (and not the school in general), i think it will help. Being an insider for 7 years, i saw drastic changes in the attitude of students, teachers, management and parents. But i can assure you one thing &#8211; great school campaign is never going to work if PTA is entrusted with it. SImply because parents are not concerned abt the school! They are more concerned abt their sons, thier studies and behaviour in class&#8230; i know a parent who comes with a notepad and pen to write down each word uttered by the teachers abt her son&#8230;.she might not even know who is who in the school&#8230; As you know, PTA meeting occurs at the beginning of every year to select class representatives and executive committee members. At present, the strength of Loyola is 1600. Going by that, atleast 1600 people should attend the meeting, sadly that is not the case. May be 5-10 from each class will participate. Thats just around 250&#8230;.. </p>
<p>People are selfish, really selfish. When I was in 10th standard, i tried to improve the stature of my class with the help of some of the teachers&#8230; i was astonished at the cold response from them&#8230;.the plan didnt work out&#8230;.</p>
<p>I hope that great school campaign will become a reality soon&#8230;..because loyola needs something like that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Karthik.C</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/03/31/he-who-pays-the-piper/comment-page-1/#comment-746</link>
		<dc:creator>Karthik.C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many in PTA would willingly get involved in this? You had mentioned in one of your earlier posts that the students who owuld be benifited from such a campaign are those presently in UKG to 5th. How can the the campaign be made to bring up interest among the parents whose children are already in +1 and +2?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many in PTA would willingly get involved in this? You had mentioned in one of your earlier posts that the students who owuld be benifited from such a campaign are those presently in UKG to 5th. How can the the campaign be made to bring up interest among the parents whose children are already in +1 and +2?</p>
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		<title>By: Ashok</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/03/31/he-who-pays-the-piper/comment-page-1/#comment-745</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably, this blog is read by 4-5 parents who are also old boys. At least two have commented here. But I will contact the Principal and the PTA offline. Since LOBA was the popular choice, I will write to them too. Will post updates on this blog regarding the Great School Campaign.

Jiby, your perseverance moves me :) I will write about such things. Hope to avoid the nostalgic streak, though. Thank you for drawing attention to that blog on Loyola.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably, this blog is read by 4-5 parents who are also old boys. At least two have commented here. But I will contact the Principal and the PTA offline. Since LOBA was the popular choice, I will write to them too. Will post updates on this blog regarding the Great School Campaign.</p>
<p>Jiby, your perseverance moves me <img src='http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I will write about such things. Hope to avoid the nostalgic streak, though. Thank you for drawing attention to that blog on Loyola.</p>
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		<title>By: jiby</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/03/31/he-who-pays-the-piper/comment-page-1/#comment-744</link>
		<dc:creator>jiby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashok, you have made a forceful argument on why the PTA is best suited to lead a Great School Campaign. No other title could have been more apt for that. But you have also raised the issue of the mentality which guides today&#039;s parents and how they have silently acquiesced with the running down over the years of our school&#039;s extra-curricular strengths. Does anybody in the PTA body read your blog? How would we sell this campaign to them? I voted for loyolites.com because this idea originated from you and you have a clear vision on what is feasible. Please let us know what the attitude of the school authorities was, when you raised this topic with them.

Also, though you are critical of the gloating we loyolites indulge in about the school&#039;s strengths and glories, a generation is coming up in school without an awareness of the school&#039;s past history and despite the ever present focus on academics, how the events most looked forward to in the academic calendar were the Sports Day, Youth Festival, etc and how hotly contested they were. I wish you would write a few posts profiling some of the Loyolites who were stars in their own right while at school and what they have been doing since, for eg, someone like Mohan Singh Gujjar...I have heard his name mentioned while i studied at Loyola and later. His name cropped up in blogworld too when i read this post at http://neelalex.blogspot.com/ . I know you are not a fan of hero worship, but posts like that would give everyone a nice peek into Loyola history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashok, you have made a forceful argument on why the PTA is best suited to lead a Great School Campaign. No other title could have been more apt for that. But you have also raised the issue of the mentality which guides today&#8217;s parents and how they have silently acquiesced with the running down over the years of our school&#8217;s extra-curricular strengths. Does anybody in the PTA body read your blog? How would we sell this campaign to them? I voted for loyolites.com because this idea originated from you and you have a clear vision on what is feasible. Please let us know what the attitude of the school authorities was, when you raised this topic with them.</p>
<p>Also, though you are critical of the gloating we loyolites indulge in about the school&#8217;s strengths and glories, a generation is coming up in school without an awareness of the school&#8217;s past history and despite the ever present focus on academics, how the events most looked forward to in the academic calendar were the Sports Day, Youth Festival, etc and how hotly contested they were. I wish you would write a few posts profiling some of the Loyolites who were stars in their own right while at school and what they have been doing since, for eg, someone like Mohan Singh Gujjar&#8230;I have heard his name mentioned while i studied at Loyola and later. His name cropped up in blogworld too when i read this post at <a href="http://neelalex.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://neelalex.blogspot.com/</a> . I know you are not a fan of hero worship, but posts like that would give everyone a nice peek into Loyola history.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Ashok&#8217;s blog on Loyola School: The ARChive : Trivandrum (Thiruvananthapuram) &#187; &#187; Evaluating the School</dc:creator>
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