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		<title>By: Ashok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ganesh, if the school management thinks that their present approach is progressive, the situation is more dangerous than I thought. :) Even after much public discussion here (remember, Jesuits too read this blog), is it likely that the school mgmt doesn&#039;t know? &lt;i&gt;Urangannuvanay unarthaam. Urakkam nadikkunnavanay unarthaan pattumo?&lt;/i&gt; :)

Since each group blames the other (mgmt says &quot;parents want this&quot;, teachers say &quot;mgmt wants this&quot;...), I doubt whether 2-3 old boys dropping by one summer morning or a snowy evening can show that there are miles to go, in the opposite direction. I don&#039;t see the &quot;practical difficulties&quot; in having a couple of serious PTA meetings and initiatives. 

Pro-reform, outsider old boys cannot do much when the leadership within the institution is poor. Piece-meal efforts like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/09/15/rejuvenating-lens/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Rejuvenating LENS&lt;/a&gt; might work; large-scale reform needs good leadership within the institution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ganesh, if the school management thinks that their present approach is progressive, the situation is more dangerous than I thought. <img src='http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Even after much public discussion here (remember, Jesuits too read this blog), is it likely that the school mgmt doesn&#8217;t know? <i>Urangannuvanay unarthaam. Urakkam nadikkunnavanay unarthaan pattumo?</i> <img src='http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Since each group blames the other (mgmt says &#8220;parents want this&#8221;, teachers say &#8220;mgmt wants this&#8221;&#8230;), I doubt whether 2-3 old boys dropping by one summer morning or a snowy evening can show that there are miles to go, in the opposite direction. I don&#8217;t see the &#8220;practical difficulties&#8221; in having a couple of serious PTA meetings and initiatives. </p>
<p>Pro-reform, outsider old boys cannot do much when the leadership within the institution is poor. Piece-meal efforts like <a href="http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/09/15/rejuvenating-lens/" rel="nofollow"> Rejuvenating LENS</a> might work; large-scale reform needs good leadership within the institution.</p>
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		<title>By: Ganesh Sangeeth</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/02/28/evaluating-the-school/comment-page-1/#comment-1041</link>
		<dc:creator>Ganesh Sangeeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Srikanth more or less hit the spot;more than quality its the attitude of teachers that is a cause of concern.....but one cant really blame them for having a purely academics oriented approach if its so ingrained in them by the management......
and as bimal said due to the practical difficulties encompassed in having an all inclusive evaluation session isnt it more feasible if two or three old boys go and have have a proper sit down with the principal.....coz i dont think the reality that the school is in a regressive state has hit him yet.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Srikanth more or less hit the spot;more than quality its the attitude of teachers that is a cause of concern&#8230;..but one cant really blame them for having a purely academics oriented approach if its so ingrained in them by the management&#8230;&#8230;<br />
and as bimal said due to the practical difficulties encompassed in having an all inclusive evaluation session isnt it more feasible if two or three old boys go and have have a proper sit down with the principal&#8230;..coz i dont think the reality that the school is in a regressive state has hit him yet&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Ashok&#8217;s blog on Loyola School: The ARChive : Trivandrum (Thiruvananthapuram) &#187; &#187; 25 Years Ago: 1983-84</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashok&#8217;s blog on Loyola School: The ARChive : Trivandrum (Thiruvananthapuram) &#187; &#187; 25 Years Ago: 1983-84</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In June 1983, the school&#8217;s new building (the Silver Jubilee Block) was inaugurated by Bishop Acharuparambil. According to the accounts presented in the souvenir released on the occasion, the building was constructed at a cost of Rs 15,53,116.55, and further works worth Rs 1,50,000 were expected at that time. The money for the building came from loans (more than Rs 9 lakh), from the school (Rs 3.15 lakh), building fund fees (around Rs 1.95 lakh), donations (about Rs 1.29 lakh), the souvenir itself (Rs 1,09,959.17), and interest. To publish these accounts immediately after the Principal&#8217;s Preface, and before Page 1 of the souvenir, suggests an ethic of transparency that was extraordinary. Interestingly, the same publication also carried the fuzzy presentation of results of a Jesuit evaluation of the school. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In June 1983, the school&#8217;s new building (the Silver Jubilee Block) was inaugurated by Bishop Acharuparambil. According to the accounts presented in the souvenir released on the occasion, the building was constructed at a cost of Rs 15,53,116.55, and further works worth Rs 1,50,000 were expected at that time. The money for the building came from loans (more than Rs 9 lakh), from the school (Rs 3.15 lakh), building fund fees (around Rs 1.95 lakh), donations (about Rs 1.29 lakh), the souvenir itself (Rs 1,09,959.17), and interest. To publish these accounts immediately after the Principal&#8217;s Preface, and before Page 1 of the souvenir, suggests an ethic of transparency that was extraordinary. Interestingly, the same publication also carried the fuzzy presentation of results of a Jesuit evaluation of the school. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ashok&#8217;s blog on Loyola School: The ARChive : Trivandrum (Thiruvananthapuram) &#187; &#187; Rejuvenating LENS</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/02/28/evaluating-the-school/comment-page-1/#comment-937</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashok&#8217;s blog on Loyola School: The ARChive : Trivandrum (Thiruvananthapuram) &#187; &#187; Rejuvenating LENS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an earlier post on the Great School Campaign, I had argued that the school was getting stronger in hardware (more computers, in this context), but probably weaker in software (poor training to bring out [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ashok&#8217;s blog on Loyola School: The ARChive : Trivandrum (Thiruvananthapuram) &#187; &#187; He Who Pays the Piper</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/02/28/evaluating-the-school/comment-page-1/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashok&#8217;s blog on Loyola School: The ARChive : Trivandrum (Thiruvananthapuram) &#187; &#187; He Who Pays the Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my blogpost last month on evaluating the school, I had surveyed the readers to know their views on the Great School Campaign. Here are the results [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ashok</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/02/28/evaluating-the-school/comment-page-1/#comment-665</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Srikanth, my impression too is that the management and the parents are academic-focused. In the 1980s too, the parents often expressed concern at the focus on extra-curricular activities, but the Jesuits remained firm. 

Paradoxically, the shift in emphasis has occurred when there are several Loyola old boys in the PTA. I would explain the Old Boy Parents&#039; inaction in terms of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2007/11/30/politics-in-loyola/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;how Loyolites are awful in politics&lt;a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Srikanth, my impression too is that the management and the parents are academic-focused. In the 1980s too, the parents often expressed concern at the focus on extra-curricular activities, but the Jesuits remained firm. </p>
<p>Paradoxically, the shift in emphasis has occurred when there are several Loyola old boys in the PTA. I would explain the Old Boy Parents&#8217; inaction in terms of <a href="http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2007/11/30/politics-in-loyola/" rel="nofollow">how Loyolites are awful in politics</a><a>.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Srikanth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Srikanth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been visiting on and off since I graduated in 2000 and the biggest change that I&#039;ve seen is that academic achievement in terms of board scores and entrance ranking seems to be the primary object of the management. Not that it is necessarily a bad thing, but when it comes at the cost of draconian disciplinary measures and reduced importance accorded to vital events such as Youth Festival, then it is cause for concern. I don&#039;t see the majority of the parents caring; as long their kid scores they are happy; most of them really don&#039;t understand what makes Loyola Loyola. 
The Loyola I know and love is a place where I had opportunities to express myself, be it in sports, or the arts. Time spent playing, at the library, practising for dramas and group songs for the Youth Festival, preparing speeches for the assembly are the abiding memories I have of the place. I had a few good teachers (and principals), but the ones I remember aren&#039;t necessarily the ones who were good at their subjects, but those who were wonderful human beings and guides. 
It would be a sad day when Loyola becomes just another school that churns out entrance toppers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been visiting on and off since I graduated in 2000 and the biggest change that I&#8217;ve seen is that academic achievement in terms of board scores and entrance ranking seems to be the primary object of the management. Not that it is necessarily a bad thing, but when it comes at the cost of draconian disciplinary measures and reduced importance accorded to vital events such as Youth Festival, then it is cause for concern. I don&#8217;t see the majority of the parents caring; as long their kid scores they are happy; most of them really don&#8217;t understand what makes Loyola Loyola.<br />
The Loyola I know and love is a place where I had opportunities to express myself, be it in sports, or the arts. Time spent playing, at the library, practising for dramas and group songs for the Youth Festival, preparing speeches for the assembly are the abiding memories I have of the place. I had a few good teachers (and principals), but the ones I remember aren&#8217;t necessarily the ones who were good at their subjects, but those who were wonderful human beings and guides.<br />
It would be a sad day when Loyola becomes just another school that churns out entrance toppers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bimal, I agree. A sparkling pool of teachers may be unavailable. Would therefore expect masters of education to guide, shape and develop available talent. As professionals, teachers too should continuously learn, and the school can encourage that.

As Jiby said, creative people should be around. Managers often get caught up in fire-fighting (temporarily solving day-to-day problems), and there is little thought or action for the long-term. So, either the leaders should be creative, or they should get good and creative advisors.

With India&#039;s diversity, I am confident that even if the school does absolutely nothing, there&#039;ll still be demand for Loyola education. Parents of Tomorrow might take their children elsewhere. No problem -- Parents of Yesterday will rush in with their kids. :) 

Looks like any progress will mostly benefit children who are now in UKG-Class 7. It is their parents who should wake up, question, act and prod the school to go forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bimal, I agree. A sparkling pool of teachers may be unavailable. Would therefore expect masters of education to guide, shape and develop available talent. As professionals, teachers too should continuously learn, and the school can encourage that.</p>
<p>As Jiby said, creative people should be around. Managers often get caught up in fire-fighting (temporarily solving day-to-day problems), and there is little thought or action for the long-term. So, either the leaders should be creative, or they should get good and creative advisors.</p>
<p>With India&#8217;s diversity, I am confident that even if the school does absolutely nothing, there&#8217;ll still be demand for Loyola education. Parents of Tomorrow might take their children elsewhere. No problem &#8212; Parents of Yesterday will rush in with their kids. <img src='http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Looks like any progress will mostly benefit children who are now in UKG-Class 7. It is their parents who should wake up, question, act and prod the school to go forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Jiby</title>
		<link>http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/2008/02/28/evaluating-the-school/comment-page-1/#comment-614</link>
		<dc:creator>Jiby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At 50, the challenge before the school is to reorient itself towards practices which the best schools and colleges in the world follow. It calls for some very creative leadership by the men at the helm of the school&#039;s affairs. I wonder how much, a school is still part of a boy&#039;s life, having to compete for attention along with the cable TV, the personal computer and the internet. If the Nature Clubs, Science Clubs, LENS, etc still function these co-curricular activities are going to be the hinges around which our school can influence student&#039;s personality development in a significant way. Young people of today realize that more than academics, its all the other facets they could add to their personality while at school, that matters a lot in their adult life and would have similar aspirations for their children. If the school doesn&#039;t begin to cater to the parents of tomorrow, hope the parents of today, the PTA would prod the school to release some sort of a vision statement on where the school should go.   

The excerpt from the souvenir was a nice treat. I saw a response from Fr.Toby in an earlier post. Since he is the only presently active teacher from Loyola who thought it fit to leave a comment here, it would be interesting to know the point of view from somebody like him or anyone else in the management, to this post.

Excellent one, Ashok...your posts are gentle indictments on the Loyola of the past and gives hindsight that will benefit the school in making descisions with foresight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At 50, the challenge before the school is to reorient itself towards practices which the best schools and colleges in the world follow. It calls for some very creative leadership by the men at the helm of the school&#8217;s affairs. I wonder how much, a school is still part of a boy&#8217;s life, having to compete for attention along with the cable TV, the personal computer and the internet. If the Nature Clubs, Science Clubs, LENS, etc still function these co-curricular activities are going to be the hinges around which our school can influence student&#8217;s personality development in a significant way. Young people of today realize that more than academics, its all the other facets they could add to their personality while at school, that matters a lot in their adult life and would have similar aspirations for their children. If the school doesn&#8217;t begin to cater to the parents of tomorrow, hope the parents of today, the PTA would prod the school to release some sort of a vision statement on where the school should go.   </p>
<p>The excerpt from the souvenir was a nice treat. I saw a response from Fr.Toby in an earlier post. Since he is the only presently active teacher from Loyola who thought it fit to leave a comment here, it would be interesting to know the point of view from somebody like him or anyone else in the management, to this post.</p>
<p>Excellent one, Ashok&#8230;your posts are gentle indictments on the Loyola of the past and gives hindsight that will benefit the school in making descisions with foresight.</p>
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		<title>By: Bimal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bimal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I may have been misunderstood.  Quality has, I agree, something to do with experience. The point I was trying to make, however, was something completely different. Agreed that the old teachers I spoke of were once new. But they were qualitatively much better even then than the teachers that are being recruited now. 

I may be wrong here, but even when I was in school, reports were coming in of new teachers being recruited who did not even know how to speak English correctly. Seeing that no school would do this on purpose, it stands to reason that there were no better candidates available. Hence, my comment on the larger problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I may have been misunderstood.  Quality has, I agree, something to do with experience. The point I was trying to make, however, was something completely different. Agreed that the old teachers I spoke of were once new. But they were qualitatively much better even then than the teachers that are being recruited now. </p>
<p>I may be wrong here, but even when I was in school, reports were coming in of new teachers being recruited who did not even know how to speak English correctly. Seeing that no school would do this on purpose, it stands to reason that there were no better candidates available. Hence, my comment on the larger problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Karthik, monitoring will help. The souvenir was not &quot;to&quot; raise funds; it was to acknowledge funders. Even in such a publication, I think the school would have only raised its image by presenting a fuller picture. First vision, then vision statement :)

Nowadays, Jesuits are led by parents. So, pressure from PTA will swing matters towards an assessment. (Whether individual leaders in PTA are interested and have guts is another matter.) There are several things, including teaching, which are within the school&#039;s control. The old teachers Bimal talks of were once new. And yes, to be a great school, thorns must be removed; no pain, no gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Karthik, monitoring will help. The souvenir was not &#8220;to&#8221; raise funds; it was to acknowledge funders. Even in such a publication, I think the school would have only raised its image by presenting a fuller picture. First vision, then vision statement <img src='http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Nowadays, Jesuits are led by parents. So, pressure from PTA will swing matters towards an assessment. (Whether individual leaders in PTA are interested and have guts is another matter.) There are several things, including teaching, which are within the school&#8217;s control. The old teachers Bimal talks of were once new. And yes, to be a great school, thorns must be removed; no pain, no gain.</p>
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		<title>By: Bimal Rajasekhar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bimal Rajasekhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that ideally an evaluation should take place which is more inclusive in nature. Practical difficulties, however, present themselves on whether the Jesuits would take it to be an unwarranted intrusion into their domain? 

Plus, there are things no longer within the school&#039;s control. A fall in teaching standards has been noticed all around India, the reason being that the rewards and recognition of the profession are easily forgotten when a thicker wad of notes is waved under the job-seekers nose. Teaching being the most integral part of the software abovementioned, this remains a problem of monumental proportions. I can say with the utmost confidence that one of the findings of such an evaluation will be that teaching standards have fallen drastically. All the old teachers are gone and many of the new are ill-suited for the job at hand. And there&#039;s nothing we can do about it!

I don&#039;t mean to sound like a pessimist, but these are thorns that pepper the way forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that ideally an evaluation should take place which is more inclusive in nature. Practical difficulties, however, present themselves on whether the Jesuits would take it to be an unwarranted intrusion into their domain? </p>
<p>Plus, there are things no longer within the school&#8217;s control. A fall in teaching standards has been noticed all around India, the reason being that the rewards and recognition of the profession are easily forgotten when a thicker wad of notes is waved under the job-seekers nose. Teaching being the most integral part of the software abovementioned, this remains a problem of monumental proportions. I can say with the utmost confidence that one of the findings of such an evaluation will be that teaching standards have fallen drastically. All the old teachers are gone and many of the new are ill-suited for the job at hand. And there&#8217;s nothing we can do about it!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to sound like a pessimist, but these are thorns that pepper the way forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Karthik.C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karthik.C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it is a publication to raise funds for the Silver Jubille block, can we expect them to highlight the weaknesses of the school brought to light by the survey? ;-) .

I guess there needs to be a bi-annual (or 4 yearly) survey which needs to be conducted with an intention of being able to measure how far we are progressing towards realising the dream of becoming a &quot;great school&quot;. It should be an unbiased publication made available to students, old boys and the rest of the junta.

For that we need a vision statement (or do we have one? ;-) ) and the effort in  realising this goal has to be a bottom-up one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it is a publication to raise funds for the Silver Jubille block, can we expect them to highlight the weaknesses of the school brought to light by the survey? <img src='http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
<p>I guess there needs to be a bi-annual (or 4 yearly) survey which needs to be conducted with an intention of being able to measure how far we are progressing towards realising the dream of becoming a &#8220;great school&#8221;. It should be an unbiased publication made available to students, old boys and the rest of the junta.</p>
<p>For that we need a vision statement (or do we have one? <img src='http://www.ashok.loyolites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) and the effort in  realising this goal has to be a bottom-up one.</p>
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